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Lordship vs. Salvation: Debunking the "Once Saved, Always Saved" Myth

Truth Talk (with Caleb Cross & Eliana Rivers) Season 2 Episode 15

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Speaker 1:

This podcast critiques doctrines commonly called hyper-grace. Our focus is on teachings, not individuals. All views expressed are biblical reflections intended to help listeners weigh every message against Scripture.

Speaker 2:

So, caleb? So last episode you talked about repentance being like spiritual surgery, cutting off what separates us from His presence. Right, but I'm honestly confused about something I've heard my whole life, like pastors always say once saved, always saved. You know, they'll say things like, if you prayed the prayer once, your salvation is locked in forever, god would never take it back because his love is unconditional and, honestly, that always felt comforting. But now I'm wondering is that actually true?

Speaker 1:

Eliana. That phrase contains a beautiful truth wrapped in a dangerous half-lie. Here's the truth For those who genuinely abide in Christ, salvation is absolutely secure. Jesus said in John 10 28, no one can snatch them out of my hand. That's real security, divine security. But notice what he said right before that, in verse 27. My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me. Security isn't in a past prayer, Eliana. Security is in present following.

Speaker 2:

So it's not once saved, always saved, it's more like once abiding, always secure.

Speaker 1:

Exactly. But here's where it gets deeper. Here's the hidden layer. Salvation was never just about receiving Jesus as Savior. It's about surrendering to Him as Lord. Romans 10.9 is crystal clear. If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead you will be saved. Lordship isn't an optional upgrade to salvation. Lordship is salvation. You cannot have Jesus as Savior while rejecting him as Lord. That's like trying to take the gift while despising the giver.

Speaker 2:

But, caleb, doesn't that sound like conditions, like we're adding works to grace? I mean, aren't we saved by faith alone?

Speaker 1:

That's exactly the confusion that's killing the church. Eliana, listen carefully. Faith that saves is faith that surrenders. James 2.19 says even demons believe and they tremble. But demonic belief doesn't surrender to Jesus as Lord. Real faith isn't just intellectual agreement, it's whole life allegiance. When you truly believe Jesus rose from the dead, that he conquered sin, death and hell, how can you not bow to him as king?

Speaker 2:

So salvation isn't just about saying yes once in a prayer. It's about living yes daily under his, his authority.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and here's the forbidden insight. The once saved, always-always-saved slogan has created millions of people who think they can reject Jesus' lordship while claiming His salvation. That's not biblical assurance, that's spiritual anesthesia. Paul warned about this exact thing in Romans 11.22. Consider the kindness and severity of God, provided you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. Even branches grafted into the olive tree can be removed if they don't abide. The slogan sounds comforting, but it's preparing people for the great deception. It creates believers who've never truly surrendered, who think grace means God overlooks rebellion. But Jesus said in Matthew 7, 21,. Not everyone who says Lord, lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of my father.

Speaker 2:

So there are people sitting in churches who think they're saved because they prayed a prayer once, but they've never actually submitted to Jesus as Lord.

Speaker 1:

Yes, aliana. And that's the most dangerous place to be Convinced you're safe while living in rebellion. It's spiritual presumption disguised as biblical assurance. But here's the beautiful thing For those who genuinely surrender to Christ as both Savior and Lord, the security is absolutely real. John 6.37,. Whoever comes to me, I will never cast out. But coming to Jesus means coming on his terms. Jesus means coming on his terms not ours.

Speaker 2:

So salvation isn't just about escaping hell, it's about submitting to the king of the kingdom. I want to enter.

Speaker 1:

Exactly. Here's the next step Examine your confession. Don't just ask did I pray a prayer? Ask is Jesus actually Lord of my life, my money, my relationships, my choices, my time? Submit the resistance. Identify areas where you've been saying Jesus is Savior while living. I am Lord. Bring those areas under his authority. Live the surrender.

Speaker 2:

Lordship isn't a wartime decision. It's a daily posture Every morning. Consciously place yourself under his rule. Test the fruit. Real lordship produces real transformation. If there's no change, there may be no real salvation, just religious presumption. So lordship isn't a burden I carry, it's the crown. I live under the authority that actually sets me free.

Speaker 1:

Exactly, that's the raw truth no filters, just freedom. True security comes from being under Christ's lordship, not from presuming on past prayers while living in present resistance to his authority. And in episode 16, we'll discover what flows from genuine lordship, authentic sonship, because when you're truly under his reign, you also share his inheritance. This is Truth Talk, where filters die and truth speaks.